Why is it that we want to break the rules of the bible and justify it in our head?

[soldier king]

Why is it that we want to break the rules of the bible and justify it in our head, why are we so impatient?

Trust in God always, even when you fall down.

[yiyagiteller]

why do so many followers of god rely on only one perspective to fulfill one's own desire to understand more?
if one desires to be worship to god, shouldn't one study all available scriptures available? don't read only the bible, at least read all of the abrahamic religious texts to broaden you knowledge, even study greek so you too can understand what apostle paul wrote to spread the words of jesus to the "west".

[soldier king]

all you need is the bible and faith.

I would support learning Greek and Hebrew though .

[TobinPowellHeath]

Humans wrote the bible, not God. If we are following the bible, we would allow rape(as long as they marry the person afterwards), and we would kill anyone who works on a Sunday.

Follow what you think is right, and what you think "God" would want you to do, instead of a book.

[Coookiee]

You 3 seriously need to get a Hot GF.

[yiyagiteller]

Hello Cookie, My name is Elder Teller, I've got a brief message about God that I'd like to share with you, do you have a few minutes to talk?

[soldier king]

Humans wrote the bible, not God. If we are following the bible, we would allow rape(as long as they marry the person afterwards), and we would kill anyone who works on a Sunday.

Follow what you think is right, and what you think "God" would want you to do, instead of a book.

sir have you read the bible? You are not supposed to have premarital sex. Sex is the glue to your marriage and when you are joined together you are supposed to stay for the rest of your life. I struggle with this to be honest because of my lack faith, but I long to grow and get blessed with stronger will.

Why would you kill someone who works on a Sunday, Jesus worked miracles on the Sabbath including healing people when the people wanted him not to heal and honor the law and said he said he was lord of the Sabbath and that he not done anything he hadn't seen his father do.

cookie, please go on, and also be courageous in being a man and going for the girl of your dreams.

[Retro]

Basketball

[yiyagiteller]

sir have you read the bible? You are not supposed to have premarital sex. Sex is the glue to your marriage and when you are joined together you are supposed to stay for the rest of your life. I struggle with this to be honest because of my lack faith, but I long to grow and get blessed with stronger will.

Why would you kill someone who works on a Sunday, Jesus worked miracles on the Sabbath including healing people when the people wanted him not to heal and honor the law and said he said he was lord of the Sabbath and that he not done anything he hadn't seen his father do.

cookie, please go on, and also be courageous in being a man and going for the girl of your dreams.

i think he's point is that, ultimately, bible was indeed written by men and group of men standardized what christianity means to all and those who dont agree can go fuck themselves. (Nicene Creed). humans pick and choose what to believe and pick and choose how to perceive what is in the bible to their own interest. you have your own opinion of your faith, another of your same faith will have a different perspective. so in the end, men decided what god is by their own will.

by the way, to say "you only need bible and faith" is a very lazy way to say "ignore everything else because they conflict what i've been taught". i'm suggesting, if you truly want to learn of god from all human perspectives, come to your own conclusion as you study all areas because bible matters no more or less than quran or pali canon or vedas. study them all and come to your own conclusion of what god is instead of limiting yourself to one thing because you're too lazy.

[TobinPowellHeath]

Sir have you read the bible? You are not supposed to have premarital sex. Sex is the glue to your marriage and when you are joined together you are supposed to stay for the rest of your life. I struggle with this to be honest because of my lack faith, but I long to grow and get blessed with stronger will.

Why would you kill someone who works on a Sunday, Jesus worked miracles on the Sabbath including healing people when the people wanted him not to heal and honor the law and said he said he was lord of the Sabbath and that he not done anything he hadn't seen his father do.

I was raised a Catholic, and I went to Sunday school, so I have read the bible.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

Exodus 35:2
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death."

Go on.

[yiyagiteller]

hey, hey, you can't do that. did you forget the note that said "ignore the old testament, its just for the people of that time anyways."?

[Slim]

wow im shocked that people aren't out here dissing religion guess the community is really good deep down inside............very deep down inside..

[Charlie]

SoldierKing why do you talk about God but a hypocrite yourself. You don't even follow the guidelines of these forums that these post should be off topic let alone question people. That alone is a sin because its defiance and being rebellious, which is equivalent to the sin of witchcraft as enscripted in the bible. Stop talking about God and doing the opposite, your acting like a Pharisee. I don't know know what's happened to you cause we're not like this couple years ago but you need a reality check man. Seriously.

[TobinPowellHeath]

hey, hey, you can't do that. did you forget the note that said "ignore the old testament, its just for the people of that time anyways."?

Matthew 5:17-18, NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Well, according to the new testament, Jesus said the law will only disappear once Heaven and Earth disappear.

An all seeing God would not make laws for only one specific time period, unless he said so. Laws do not just "apply to that time", because nowhere does it say so for most of the bible. Only specific cases have said they applied at the time.

So, according to Jesus, do not ignore any of the old testament until Heaven and earth disappear, which means that the things I have said before ARE true.

[V a r s i t y]

I have a problem with the Ten Commandments. Here it is: Why are there ten? We don't need that many. I think the list of commandments was deliberately and artificially inflated to get it up to ten. It's clearly a padded list.
Here's how it happened: About five thousand years ago, a bunch of reli*gious and political hustlers got together to figure out how they could control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so these guys announced that God— God personally—had given one of them a list of Ten Commandments that he wanted everyone to follow. They claimed the whole thing took place on a mountaintop, when no one else was around.
But let me ask you something: When these guys were sittin' around the tent makin' all this up, why did they pick ten? Why ten? Why not nine, or eleven? I'll tell you why. Because ten sounds important. Ten sounds official. They knew if they tried eleven, people wouldn't take them seriously. People would say, "What're you kiddin' me? The Eleven Commandments? Get the fuck outta here!"
But ten! Ten sounds important. Ten is the basis for the decimal system; it's a decade. It's a psychologically satisfying number: the top ten; the ten most wanted; the ten best-dressed. So deciding on Ten Commandments was clearly a marketing decision. And it's obviously a bullshit list. In truth, it's a politic; document, artificially inflated to sell better.
I'm going to show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a bit more logical and realistic. We'll start with the first three, and I'll use the Roman Catholic version because those are the ones I was fed as a little boy.
• I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE
GODS BEFORE ME.
• THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN
VAIN.
• THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH.
Okay, right off the bat, the first three commandments—pure bullshit "Sabbath day," "Lord's name," "strange gods." Spooky language. Spooky language designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious mumbo jumbo like this apply to the lives of intelligent, civilized human in the twenty-first century. You throw out the first three commandments, am you're down to seven.
•HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER.
This commandment is about obedience and respect for authority; in other words it's simply a device for controlling people. The truth is, obedience and respect should not be granted automatically. They should be earned. They should be based on the parents' (or the authority figure's) performance. Some parents deserve respect. Most of them don't. Period. We're down to six.
Now, in the interest of logic—something religion has a really hard time with—I'm going to skip around the list a little bit:
• THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.
• THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.
Stealing and lying. Actually, when you think about it, these two com*mandments cover the same sort of behavior: dishonesty. Stealing and lying. So we don't need two of them. Instead, we combine these two and call it "Thou shalt not be dishonest." Suddenly we're down to five.
And as long as we're combining commandments I have two others that be*long together:
• THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.
• THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE.
Once again, these two prohibit the same sort of behavior; in this case, mar*ital infidelity. The difference between them is that coveting takes place in the mind. And I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife, otherwise what's a guy gonna think about when he's flogging his dong?
But marital fidelity is a good idea, so I suggest we keep the idea and call this commandment "Thou shalt not be unfaithful." Suddenly we're down to four.
And when you think about it further, honesty and fidelity are actually parts of the same overall value. So, in truth, we could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments, and, using positive lan*guage instead of negative, call the whole thing "Thou shalt always be honest and faithful." And now we're down to three.
•THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S GOODS.
This one is just plain stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going: Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "O Come All Ye Faithful," you want to get one, too. Coveting creates jobs. Leave it alone.
You throw out coveting and you're down to two now: the big, combined honesty/fidelity commandment, and the one we haven't mentioned yet:
•THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
Murder. The Fifth Commandment. But, if you give it a little thought, you realize that religion has never really had a problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.
To cite a few examples, just think about Irish history, the Middle East, the Crusades, the Inquisition, our own abortion-doctor killings and, yes, the World Trade Center to see how seriously religious people take Thou Shalt Not Kill. Apparently, to religious folks—especially the truly devout—murder is ne*gotiable. It just depends on who's doing the killing and who's getting killed.
And so, with all of this in mind, folks, I offer you my revised list of the Two Commandments:
First:
•THOU SHALT ALWAYS BE HONEST AND FAITHFUL, ESPECIALLY
TO THE PROVIDER OF THY NOOKIE.
And second:
•THOU SHALT TRY REAL HARD NOT TO KILL ANYONE, UNLESS,
OF COURSE, THEY PRAY TO A DIFFERENT INVISIBLE AVENGER
THAN THE ONE YOU PRAY TO.
Two is all you need, folks. Moses could have carried them down the hill in his pocket. And if we had a list like that, I wouldn't mind that brilliant judge in Alabama displaying it prominently in his courthouse lobby. As long he in*cluded one additional commandment:
•THOU SHALT KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF!!!
From George Carlin – When Will Jesus Bring the Pork Chops (2004)