Someone who know well the mechanics of this game could help me?

[Zydrunas]

Ofc I haven't tested this tf? Who has time for that in 2017?

especially since you haven't posted any real proof opposing my claim.

Burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim, m8. Basic argument fundamentals 101. Pretty interesting that you request real proof without having produced any of your own to begin with LUL

With that being said, I agree with Jike in that block does not affect the distance of the shot contest.

People say tussle increases the distance of shot contest, but because of ping, players see the game differently enough such that their def resist calculations would be different than someone with less than 10ms ping in the same situation. Sooo pretty much the tussle effect on shots is negligible in most situations imo.

I think run speed/move speed affect shot % the most, obviously not DIRECTLY, but you'll get closer to the scorer on close outs compared to a PF/C with equal position which reduces shot percentage more. As an SG it's so easy to do run backs to the 3pt line with a slow PF guarding you. Do a run back on a fast PG or SG and say goodbye to your shot circle. They get a hand up just because they catch up much faster.

[Zydrunas]

Why do we assume that timing and positioning are held constant? nothing's constant this game.

What Jike is trying to say:

You assume that timing and positioning are held constant because those are two potential confounds in determining whether or not block att affects shot percentage. One of the fundamental rules of scientific method dictates that you isolate the independent variable. If the question is to determine whether or not block attribute has an impact on shooting percentage, then in a hypothetical experiment you'd put two guys with different block attributes on the same spot and have them press D at the same time.

I am aware of how tussle is the only thing that actually affects shot percentage, but if you have a higher block, you don't have to be as close to get your tussle to kick in to drop their shoot rate. Therefore, we can say that block attribute has an impact.

Wat? Block attribute isn't the thing that allows "tussle to kick in to drop their shoot rate", it's positioning. If you're actually in range to contest the shooter, then you get added into the def resist calculation on their shot (aka "tussle kicking in"). Yes having high block or manual block range makes your character reach out further on a block, but it's the proximity of your character to the shooter when they start their shot that's used in the calculation. In other words, in the perspective of the shooter, it's where the defender is positioned at the time of the shot that matters.

This is in agreement to the original point Jike made. If a PG and a PF are both standing in the same spot and both jump at the same time and neither block the shot, the difference in the shooters shot % can be attributed ONLY to the difference in tussle attribute. If a PG and a PF are both standing out of range and both jump at the same time, neither will affect the shot regardless of block att. Block attribute does not impact shot percentage.

[ShotFake]

Burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim, m8. Basic argument fundamentals 101. Pretty interesting that you request real proof without having produced any of your own to begin with LUL

With that being said, I agree with Jike in that block does not affect the distance of the shot contest.

People say tussle increases the distance of shot contest, but because of ping, players see the game differently enough such that their def resist calculations would be different than someone with less than 10ms ping in the same situation. Sooo pretty much the tussle effect on shots is negligible in most situations imo.

I think run speed/move speed affect shot % the most, obviously not DIRECTLY, but you'll get closer to the scorer on close outs compared to a PF/C with equal position which reduces shot percentage more. As an SG it's so easy to do run backs to the 3pt line with a slow PF guarding you. Do a run back on a fast PG or SG and say goodbye to your shot circle. They get a hand up just because they catch up much faster.

I made it clear that I was just making an observation based on my experiences, and he asked for proof for some reason. Then he continued to make arguments without "anecdotal evidence" himself so I tried to make a point by pointing that out.

I was also just making a point that the experiences of others is not to be ignored simply because it isn't tested. For example, based on your experiences you disagree that block increases ones contest rangends, and that should be taken into consideration.

Undergrads...

[Jike]

I made it clear that I was just making an observation based on my experiences, and he asked for proof for some reason. Then he continued to make arguments without "anecdotal evidence" himself so I tried to make a point by pointing that out.

I was also just making a point that the experiences of others is not to be ignored simply because it isn't tested. For example, based on your experiences you disagree that block increases ones contest rangends, and that should be taken into consideration.

Undergrads...

?????????????
Providing anecdotal evidence myself to counteract your anecdotal evidence would just be silly.

This is what I'm trying to say though. In this case anecdotal evidence SHOULD be ignored, that's why I asked for actual proof. There's a reason non-empirical anecdotal evidence doesn't qualify as scientific evidence. lul

[Zydrunas]

I made it clear that I was just making an observation based on my experiences, and he asked for proof for some reason. Then he continued to make arguments without "anecdotal evidence" himself so I tried to make a point by pointing that out.

I was also just making a point that the experiences of others is not to be ignored simply because it isn't tested. For example, based on your experiences you disagree that block increases ones contest rangends, and that should be taken into consideration.

Undergrads...

Yes we both made statements based on our observations, but the difference between you and I is that you placed the burden of proof on someone else to prove your claim wrong. The onus is on you as the claimant to support your argument.

You say "undergrads" as some sort of subtle insult but intelligent conversation can be had regardless of educational status. Elitism in upper level education is and always has been nothing more than a defensive mechanism to protect ones own ego.

[ShotFake]

Yes we both made statements based on our observations, but the difference between you and I is that you placed the burden of proof on someone else to prove your claim wrong. The onus is on you as the claimant to support your argument.

You say "undergrads" as some sort of subtle insult but intelligent conversation can be had regardless of educational status. Elitism in upper level education is and always has been nothing more than a defensive mechanism to protect ones own ego.

Re read my second statement. By asking him for proof I was trying to make a point. Too lazy to spell it out for you again though, so go ahead and figure that one out for yourself.

"Defensive mechanism" lol, a little sensitive are we?

[Emperor]

This make my brain bleed lol.
So tussle affect jump shot percentage too i thought it only affects dunk blocking.

[Astro]

Yes we both made statements based on our observations, but the difference between you and I is that you placed the burden of proof on someone else to prove your claim wrong. The onus is on you as the claimant to support your argument.

You say "undergrads" as some sort of subtle insult but intelligent conversation can be had regardless of educational status. Elitism in upper level education is and always has been nothing more than a defensive mechanism to protect ones own ego.

Yo can you type my essays for Lit and history?