Power Center Dubunked

[Buddy]

personally i am beginning to see a lot of more C's who are balanceand shrewd better at blocking, especially back blocking. Did you guys know this? I often ask C's i find good at blocking and find it surprising a lot of them are actually balance and a few of them are shrewed. Is this the new wave.

It is obvious tussle in this game does not do as much as we think it does
it is obvious Centers need speed to get in position more so than PF and with mo speed they are able to back block more accurately and precisely on time.
also they have larger attack ranges in the paint and spread the floor slightly better
Despite this no matter the C, if you want to be a force in the paint, i would say the best C is a fast Balance/shrewed C with SP2 deck to make that speed worth something

just my thoughts lately as i begin to see more dominate balance and even shrewed C's. Anyone else have opinions on this. I honestly think Balance and Shrewd C's are the future

[Zydrunas]

That's an awesome question, Revan.

Last month, I type changed Zydrunas from Power into Balanced, and I could definitely feel the difference. Curie is currently a Power C, and both have SP2 card sets. The speed difference between both characters is definitely noticeable, and I find playing a Balanced C is more versatile than Power due to the fact they can spread the floor more. Some games I can even throw on SP3 passive skill on Zydrunas and shoot 3's like a PF when wide. Defensively, I find myself being able to get more back blocks because I can get closer to my opponent.

The way I play with Zydrunas is more scoring oriented (I only play with randoms on Zydrunas) whereas I'll have a set team for Curie, so I'll usually just play more of a traditional Center role. I think Balanced is the way to go for a do-it-all type of Center, whereas Power is more suitable for being a capable third to complete any team.

HOWEVER, I still average around 0.3 blocks more on Curie (about 2.3) than I do with Zydrunas (2.0) just because of that +7 block difference between characters of which I can definitely feel. I actually went from a 240 reb/220 tussle/210 blk build for a more balanced 225 reb/230 tussle/215 blk on Curie. That +5 blk felt much more significant than the sacrifice of 15 reb, however I cannot say that the tussle actually helped... So, I am trying to go for a +14 reb/+12 blk overall, for a goal of 229 reb/218 tussle/221 blk build which from my experience SHOULD be the best way to go as a C. (Keep in mind I have 2 bars of speed in this build) In a game where defense trumps all, block > speed.

I've also changed my guide several weeks back to reflect this. I used to have POWER OR DIE in size 24 font, bolded, but now it's changed into Power or Balanced

Edit:

I reread your post, and it mentioned something about Shrewd C's? NEVER MAKE A SHREWD C!!! DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So let me sum it up with this:

1. I don't think the +7 block (and +7 tussle) for +7 speed trade is worth it
2. Play style is slightly dependent on type and teammates
3. Tussle doesn't seem that important or at least hard to feel the difference between 220/230
4. I would recommend a Power C to someone that would not spend money on this game to get the necessary cards

[Ranier]

^ How do you draw that SP2.

I just completed grace wallet and bought 50 card balls.. No SP decks. FML
GK robbing me

[Zydrunas]

Im a power C and I disapprove of this message!

Everyone knows my game when I play for real without trolling or doing my taunts to score a mid shot... I ran C longer then both of you probably, and I can tell you right now that Tussle makes a huge difference a 2 or even 3 bigman team. tobe continued... going back to work

I'd like to make the argument that tussle against a 2 or even 3 bigman team is actually more useless. Especially with 3 PF swarming you, it's more about timing, guessing and positioning. I'd say tussle is more important against single big teams, in particular against other C's. It's almost impossible to get 3 bigs in the bumping animation off the boxout all at the same time considering they're going to be more spread out in the paint going for the rebound.

Tussle is more important against single big teams in my opinion, especially against other centers. I also think what's more important than tussle is boxing out first. I remember games where an SF would box me out REALLY well despite having 50+ less tussle than me.

Tussle reliant skills such as post push are also broken, and adding more tussle doesn't seem to increase the viability of it........... Now I'm not saying that tussle is useless but I think there is definitely a point of diminishing return and I believe that to be around that 220ish range. I was practicing rebbing with ProjectAway's PF and C (imo if he mained pf/c he would be top 5 easily), and despite having 30+ more tussle than him, he was able to box me out with ease, which leads me to believe that box out has a slight dependency on ping as well. BUT 95% of box-out is skill reliant... if you don't know when and where to boxout (which in my opinion a lot of west bigs don't know how) any ping advantage on boxout just goes right out the window.

ANYWAYS, I was going off on a tangent...

I think tussle is important, just anything too excessive is detrimental to your other attributes. ^.^

We can all agree to disagree.

[Buddy]

I'd like to make the argument that tussle against a 2 or even 3 bigman team is actually more useless. Especially with 3 PF swarming you, it's more about timing, guessing and positioning. I'd say tussle is more important against single big teams, in particular against other C's. It's almost impossible to get 3 bigs in the bumping animation off the boxout all at the same time considering they're going to be more spread out in the paint going for the rebound.

Tussle is more important against single big teams in my opinion, especially against other centers. I also think what's more important than tussle is boxing out first. I remember games where an SF would box me out REALLY well despite having 50+ less tussle than me.

Tussle reliant skills such as post push are also broken, and adding more tussle doesn't seem to increase the viability of it........... Now I'm not saying that tussle is useless but I think there is definitely a point of diminishing return and I believe that to be around that 220ish range. I was practicing rebbing with ProjectAway's PF and C (imo if he mained pf/c he would be top 5 easily), and despite having 30+ more tussle than him, he was able to box me out with ease, which leads me to believe that box out has a slight dependency on ping as well. BUT 95% of box-out is skill reliant... if you don't know when and where to boxout (which in my opinion a lot of west bigs don't know how) any ping advantage on boxout just goes right out the window.

ANYWAYS, I was going off on a tangent...

I think tussle is important, just anything too excessive is detrimental to your other attributes. ^.^

We can all agree to disagree.

this has already been shown to gms and confirmed by EURO GM's, Tussle based skills do not work for some reason in live games but they work in like the practice mode i beleive or w/e

i honestly do not believe in tussle anymore, i have noticed no difference in my boxouts when i try to boxout, its just position and timing, i have noticed no difference in my blocking, and i have noticed no difference in opponents being able to facial. I am on the side in NA version at least, Tussle is useless. Some bigs may live by it, but that was the last generation, this new generation spreads the floor, is a speed game. I rather have a quick agile Center that can move and get in position to block or help than a tank that can block one spot.

[JL1015]

this has already been shown to gms and confirmed by EURO GM's, Tussle based skills do not work for some reason in live games but they work in like the practice mode i beleive or w/e

i honestly do not believe in tussle anymore, i have noticed no difference in my boxouts when i try to boxout, its just position and timing, i have noticed no difference in my blocking, and i have noticed no difference in opponents being able to facial. I am on the side in NA version at least, Tussle is useless. Some bigs may live by it, but that was the last generation, this new generation spreads the floor, is a speed game. I rather have a quick agile Center that can move and get in position to block or help than a tank that can block one spot.

I don't need a big that spreads the floor, just someone to catch my lobs and box out like a champ. For that I'm 200% team power C.

[exilegod]

Tussle means shitall
Said this ages ago

[incognegro]

they need to fix tussle, with my C atm im a power type and im running, 240 reb, 225 tussle and about 207 block, its pretty slow but at the same time i feel like power just suits the type of way i play with my C, i can make 2 when open and even more than half when contested, but i may need to try out a balanced C, and see how it feels

[Buddy]

i feel like if it were possible, 220+ block, 230+ rebound, and high high speed is best build for Center.

[Deeva]

i feel like if it were possible, 220+ block, 230+ rebound, and high high speed is best build for Center.

Well yeah obviously insane stats would be best for any position, that goes without saying. Getting all three of those stats that high is damn near impossible especially as power unless you had some crazy SP2 deck that rolled speed attribute as well.

After trying both high and low tussle, I'm partial to it not being very effective. Timing and position are much more important for boxout as has already been stated.

[Buddy]

yah haha i may have stated it wrong but i just trying to say every other stat is useless for Center besides maybe a lil mid action

[KhenPierce]

but shaq has sp non block so he doesn't really need that boost on block attribute on a power type C

[Barida]

but shaq has sp non block so he doesn't really need that boost on block attribute on a power type C

Lmao noooo letem live

[soldier king]

pf > c.

<3 to those who tried

[Kevin]

but shaq has sp non block so he doesn't really need that boost on block attribute on a power type C

LMFAOOOOOO .